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elena_11293

Master Florello
this time of the year (well, in Jan/Febr), there's another flower whose scent I really like: the wintersweet (Chimomantus/Calycanthus)

It's so brave to bloom in Winter :)

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Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Do you have this Plant Elena? I would like to have it,but it needs a special place because in the rest of the year it is an insignificant plant,is that true?
this time of the year (well, in Jan/Febr), there's another flower whose scent I really like: the wintersweet (Chimomantus/Calycanthus)

It's so brave to bloom in Winter :)

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elena_11293

Master Florello
No, I don't, Harma. But my neighbours have one. I agree with you, it's a plant that in other seasons doesn't stand out for some particular feature, they choose a corner close to the wall [il muretto di confine... I don't know how to say that in English] for it, so during Summer they have some green there, and in Winter it's the first spot to show signs of new life :)
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
I like fragrance a lot, too. The winter and early spring fragrances in my garden are sarcococca, which has a sweet but slightly sickly scent, which I like nonetheless, and now, in this period, Daphne odora, which can be smelled from meters away, and of course, violets. The whole violet plant, not just the flowers, are scented, have others noticed this? Scents you have to get up close to detect are those of the snow crocuses and of snake's head iris, Hermodactylus tuberosus.
I got a little vial of essential oil of orange last Christmas and have really been enjoying it: WHAT a cheerful scent. It smells orange!
Sarcococca is in the box family, Buxaceae. I've read that box flowers are scented as well, but have never noticed it: has anyone else? It was just last year or the year before that I noticed that bay laurel flowers are scented: we have a good-sized tree of it and possibly the volume of bloom makes the odor evident. It's a sweet smell without much character.
I forgot Lonicera fragrantissima, also currently in flower. My two plants of this shrub are still small, but I think I'm going to love it.

Harma, I must apologize for not having started the thread on sustainable gardening as I promised. I've been slightly sick for several days, and though I'm not deathly ill, I have no energy for anything. I've mainly been lying around on a sofa or in bed, reading. The rest cure doesn't seem to be having much effect.
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
tonight I was at my parents' and noticed that the buds of my mom's star magnolia are opening, and that reminded me that also their fragrance is one of my favs: it's very delicate (I had literally to put my nose into one of the flowers to smell it), but in my opinion really good... try it, if you have the chance, this is their season :)

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Looking at those I bought this year, I realized also some primroses do have a perfume I like :)

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Another plant that is an early bloomer (I'd say in January-February, here) is the Viburnum, a friend of mine has one and the first time I saw it I loved both its pale pink flowers and their perfume :love:

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Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Hi Elena,what kind of Viburnum is that,because without leaves....?? Beautiful pictures..I bought my first reflex!!!!!! Wowww it's really complicated,the handbook is in German,even if I understand a little I asked to send me in Italian..How you say:non vedo l'ora,to use it without thinking too much!!

A nice sunday to everybody.....
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
Hi Harma :)

Those pics are not mine, I found them on the internet, but I chose those with plants that looked just like those I mentioned. So, also my friend's Viburnum is just like that, in this season: only flowers, no leaves. She had always told me that is a 'viburno invernale', so called just because of his Winter blooming, and that it was difficult to find it because the garden center usually had a different kind that doesn't bloom in Winter.. That's all I know about it.

As for your question about the English expression for "non vedo l'ora", it's "I'm looking forward to + verb-ing"
 

LucaXY

Master Florello
Hi Harma :)

Those pics are not mine, I found them on the internet, but I chose those with plants that looked just like those I mentioned. So, also my friend's Viburnum is just like that, in this season: only flowers, no leaves. She had always told me that is a 'viburno invernale', so called just because of his Winter blooming, and that it was difficult to find it because the garden center usually had a different kind that doesn't bloom in Winter.. That's all I know about it.

As for your question about the English expression for "non vedo l'ora", it's "I'm looking forward to + verb-ing"

I have a Viburnum in my terrace... I've heard that its leaves are irritants... I mean, if you touch them. Is it true?
Mine has always purple berries and every time I or someone else put your arm inside we feel pinch... :fifone2:
In general: I haven't started to work the garden. I decided that this year we'll probably begin in April, after Easter.

And how are you, Elena, Harma, Melissa... all fine? :)
 

LucaXY

Master Florello
I'm sorry, I don't like english, I can't like it.
When child I was obliged to study english, now I don't suffer this language.
It seems to me some churlish.
I'm sorry.

Well, If you don't like English you can ignore this conversation without too many words! :D
Sorry, you've been banned, but I'm sure you can read me.
Personally, I've never imagined that a person who frequents an Italian school, "suffer" for English, unless you do very heavy and challenging courses, forced by your parents.

In all Italy, English is recognised as the global means of communication and is compulsory as a foreign language from nursery (sometimes) onwards.
The teaching of foreign languages has always been one of the italian school's strengths (or most of them)
 

Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
@Luca....There are so many Viburnums,but i think yours is a V.Tinus..Some years ago I bought a V.Carlesi because of his smell,but unfortunately he died...How is it possible that you start to work in your garden after Easter,you are lucky....I work almost all year long....:lol:
 

LucaXY

Master Florello
@Luca....There are so many Viburnums,but i think yours is a V.Tinus..Some years ago I bought a V.Carlesi because of his smell,but unfortunately he died...How is it possible that you start to work in your garden after Easter,you are lucky....I work almost all year long....:lol:

Yeah, probably it's Viburnum Tinus...
For the work... I meant the vegetable garden...:D
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
I'm fine, thank you Luca! Over my illness, whatever it was, and with no more excuse not to write about 'Giardinaggio a basso impatto'.

'Non vedo l'ora' can also be translated as 'I can hardly wait', which is more emphatic and less formal than 'I'm looking forward to':
I can hardly wait to begin digging in the garden.
I can hardly wait to see the peonies and the lilacs in bloom.
I can hardly wait for spring to get here!
I can hardly wait for school to end!

There are several viburnums that bloom in early spring with usually pink and white, very fragrant flowers appearing on naked branches, and I adore them one and all. My success rate with these is not good. I've found out the hard way that these types are often grafted onto a tough rootstock, either for economic reasons (faster propagation) or because the beautiful viburnum is a weak grower. My lovely Viburnum carlesii 'Aurora' has been slowly succumbing to the V. lantana on which it was grafted, which development I discovered rather late as they have similar foliage (the flowers are totally unlike, of course). I lost another which had been grafted on V. opulus, later losing the rootstock as well as the plant was in a terrible spot. These viburnums probably do better in areas with less heavy soil that that which characterizes much of my garden.
The real star of this group of viburnums, in my experience, is V. x burkwoodii. This is a V. carlesii cross, and it has that plant's fragrant pink and white flowers on naked branches in spring, followed by handsome summer foliage, which has evergreen tendencies but often colors brilliantly in fall, something not many plants do in my garden. The V. x burkwoodii plants I've bought have NOT been grafted, and it's a tough plant, growing in sun and shade, in poorish soil, and with no summer water. Really one of the absolute best shrubs in all my garden.
P.S. Reading the Hillier Gardener's Guide to Trees and Shrubs I see that there are various clones of this cross, all highly regarded. I don't know which clone I have.

Luca,
It sounds like you've had better experiences with foreign language study in school than my daughter has had. She finishes middle school this June and has had all her formal education (school) in the Italian public school system. I take education seriously and value foreign language study, and my daughter's foreign language classes have been a joke. She's bilingual--Italian and English--because my husband and I are bilingual and we speak mostly English at home, because I taught her to read English myself, working at it for a year when she was five and six, because I keep her well supplied with books in that language, because we go visit my family in the U.S. (She writes English as well, but not as well as she reads and speaks it, having had less practice.) She's had English in school ever since she started preschool, but in the eleven years she's been "learning" the language, she's had exactly one teacher who took seriously the task of teaching her pupils this foreign tongue. One teacher, for one year.
The story is the same for the French she's taken in middle school, which unfortunately is a language I only read and can't speak. The whole matter of language study is a comedy, but not a funny one. And the math-science high school she plans on attending starting this fall doesn't offer anything beyond English--and Latin, of course. I talked with the principal about the language study, and he says that there's just not the demand.
I've been thinking about starting a thread, in Italian of course, about how much time Italian schoolchildren waste sitting in classes supposedly learning subjects that no one takes seriously: not the teachers, not the parents, not the society, and certainly not the kids. They spend long, long hours and days in school, and the sole harvest is ignorance, boredom, and contempt for education. (I don't mean all subjects. But there seems to be a distinct division between subjects that matter and subjects that, really, don't. Italian grammar is taken seriously; so is math; languages, music, art are unimportant. Which doesn't mean that an excellent teacher can't come along who takes the "unimportant" subject very seriously indeed, and teaches it brilliantly. My daughter has had the extreme good fortune to have an outstanding art teacher the last two years, and has flourished with her.) My daughter's a good student, by the way: she's intelligent and curious, she reads, she thinks, and she does her homework. The fault doesn't lie with her.

Melissa
 
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elena_11293

Master Florello
Luca,
It sounds like you've had better experiences with foreign language study in school than my daughter has had. She finishes middle school this June and has had all her formal education (school) in the Italian public school system. I take education seriously and value foreign language study, and my daughter's foreign language classes have been a joke. She's bilingual--Italian and English--because my husband and I are bilingual and we speak mostly English at home, because I taught her to read English myself, working at it for a year when she was five and six, because I keep her well supplied with books in that language, because we go visit my family in the U.S. (She writes English as well, but not as well as she reads and speaks it, having had less practice.) She's had English in school ever since she started preschool, but in the eleven years she's been "learning" the language, she's had exactly one teacher who took seriously the task of teaching her pupils this foreign tongue. One teacher, for one year.
The story is the same for the French she's taken in middle school, which unfortunately is a language I only read and can't speak. The whole matter of language study is a comedy, but not a funny one. And the math-science high school she plans on attending starting this fall doesn't offer anything beyond English--and Latin, of course. I talked with the principal about the language study, and he says that there's just not the demand.
I've been thinking about starting a thread, in Italian of course, about how much time Italian schoolchildren waste sitting in classes supposedly learning subjects that no one takes seriously: not the teachers, not the parents, not the society, and certainly not the kids. They spend long, long hours and days in school, and the sole harvest is ignorance, boredom, and contempt for education. (I don't mean all subjects. But there seems to be a distinct division between subjects that matter and subjects that, really, don't. Italian grammar is taken seriously; so is math; languages, music, art are unimportant. Which doesn't mean that an excellent teacher can't come along who takes the "unimportant" subject very seriously indeed, and teaches it brilliantly. My daughter has had the extreme good fortune to have an outstanding art teacher the last two years, and has flourished with her.) My daughter's a good student, by the way: she's intelligent and curious, she reads, she thinks, and she does her homework. The fault doesn't lie with her.

Melissa

I couldn't relate to what Luca had written about our schools and foreign languages, either. When I was a kid, there was no English class before middle school, and not all of the high schools had them: in mine, for example, there wasn't any and having studied German in middle school I attended my very first (private) English course when I was more than 20! One of my English teachers just a couple of years ago decided to send his son in Britain, since the kid wanted to study foreign languages at the college and he well know here you don't get a good preparation. Some things have changed and improved, sure, but my nephew is 20 something now and he was taught some German at the elementary school, then some English, but he ended his high school without any real preparation and now he will have to attend a private school as well because he's not able to speak, write, understand any English...
Anyway, just glad for Luca if in his experience things are different. Let's hope it's really changing :)
 

Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
@Melissa:So now I have to buy a Viburnum burkwoodii...I was thinking about a nice bush,but could't decide....

I think a very good help to learn languages is the television...let me explain.In Holland everything on television is in the original language with subtitles.For people here in Italy it's unthinkable,but when you grow up with it,it's normal and at the same time helpful...What do you think about that????
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
Harma, I think it's a great idea. From what I've seen of the Dutch, they DO take foreign language study seriously, and--am I right?--I would guess that most educated adults know at least one foreign language well. I remember in the Amsterdam airport years ago, even the janitors spoke good English.
Melissa
 

belvedere

Giardinauta Senior
i agree with all you: here (in Italy) schools and studies aren't serious.
teachers mostly are incompetent; those who are good teachers have to face parents who don't recognize their autorithy. at the end people in our country don't attach importance to education.
just a few know foreign languages.
when i went to Tunisia for my holidays i was surprised to see everybody spoke a little every languages: even the bedouins in the desert!!
i shame to say my uncles lived over 40 years in australia (they went there when they were 30 years old) and i discovered that they had difficult to understand every piece of writing! and they never learned to write well....
 

belvedere

Giardinauta Senior
my dear friends!
yesterday i read this article on CNN on line:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/12/opinion/vaden-reach-the-top/index.html?hpt=hp_mid
obviously i consulted the dictionary for many words, ma i didn't understand this phrase: :muro:
"that's OK, just do it scared." please help me to understand how we translate it in italian!


(this he text in original)
The firemen did a sweep of the building and found her hiding under her desk, waiting to die. She was screaming "I'm scared, I'm scared!" as the firemen insisted she walk down the stairwell. Until one fireman said: "that's OK, just do it scared." He repeated it all the way down the 80 flights of stairs, until he brought her to safety.


i think it means something like: "va tutto bene. Fallo! anche se ti fa paura"..... but i'm not sure it's correct...:slow:

many thanks and have a nice day!!



 
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LucaXY

Master Florello
Well, probably because I've been grown up in another kind of school... focalized on foreign languages...

Guys, I need your help :D

I need a newspaper article on popolation growth or similar. If you find it, it will be very useful for me... even in Italian, found on a newspaper or Internet...
 

belvedere

Giardinauta Senior
luca: may you explain to us better what this article need for?
the topic "population growth" is too generic..... have you to prepare a research? what is the purpose of your request?
(ps for everybody: just the usually doubt....these interrogative forms are correctly formulated?)
 
Alto