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English conversation

Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Hi Elèna,I hope you feel better!!! Yesterday I took a decision....I'll commit myself a little bit more,till now I wrote with the words I remembred,and when I did't know a word I just explain in another way,but In this way I'll never improve myself..A question about the Italian grammar..In Dutch we don't use the accents,I mostly I'am in trouble,what about your name?Right now I see you even don't use the accent,but what I want to now is when there is a capital letter you don't put the accent on it? Sometimes I see it....
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
Hi Elèna,I hope you feel better!!! Yesterday I took a decision....I'll commit myself a little bit more,till now I wrote with the words I remembred,and when I did't know a word I just explain in another way,but In this way I'll never improve myself..A question about the Italian grammar..In Dutch we don't use the accents,I mostly I'am in trouble,what about your name?Right now I see you even don't use the accent,but what I want to now is when there is a capital letter you don't put the accent on it? Sometimes I see it....

Hi dear, and thanks for asking: I feel a little better, since temperature is back to normal (= no fever), but I still feel very feeble, lack appetite, cough and sneeze... Our family doctor told to my mom (who also had caught it before me, just like my brother and my nephew before us), that it'll take some time (1 to 2 months) before to fully recover... It's a tough one, this virus! But we have been lucky, there're people who had to go into hospital.

I can understand your decision for improving your English, I also tend to use just the vocabulary and the grammar I know, turning the sentences when I can't find a way to say them easily. However reading in English helps me learn new things, perhaps it's slower than when you attend classes, but when you learn something out of personal interest it's also easier to remembe, then, in my opinion.

As for your question: in Italian the accents are not written for the most so I can get that for a foreigner it could be not always easy putting it in the right place, and even we Italians often don't know if a stressed letter wants a tonic accent or not, or how certain surnames should be read, for example. However, in my name -in Italian- the stress is on the first "e" => 'Eh-lena

Have a nice Sunday evening!! :)
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
I've been away for a few days, and am noticing it.
Elena, I'm not familiar with the custom, but it may have been that way in some other parts of the country, or might have been just a custom (fictitious or real) in one particular school: a kind of fad.
I caught the flu some years ago, possibly for the first time in my adult life, and was surprised at how long it took me to recover, so I can imagine that you're feeling beat now. I hope you get your energy back soon!
For Daria: I would say "latter", for the reason Elena gives.
Harma, when it gets wet I put aside my work shoes (they look a lot like yours) and put on those miracles of technology, rubber boots, what the British I believe call wellingtons. Great for heavy clay mud and knee-high soaking grass, comfortable for working, and I can even take long walks in them.
It's wet, wet, wet here as well. It HAILED this morning, and is still gray, and we have a fire going in the wood stove. What a lovely spring we're having! though I did see my first peony open yesterday: 'Mollis', a lovely single. And the forecast suggests that the weather may improve. I'd like some sun, too, and no more of the howling winds of the last couple of days.
Melissa
 

daria

Master Florello
hi guys! :)

Cold spring :storto: I have time to read, watch movies ... all preferably in english

thanks for your help grammatical :eek:k07:

kisses :)
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
Thanks Melissa, what you say makes sense to me. That kind of rituals (I'm thinking of the Prom, too) and the whole 'dating' thing are very different from my experience both in school and later. Perhaps things have changed here by now and youngsters have more similar habits and behaviours, but when I grew up our two cultures (American and Italian) were really different. I bet you could get that from your husband's experiences too..

As for the weather: have you read this, guys? => forecast (30°C/86°F ?!!)

@ Daria: as alway, not sure this is correct, but I would say "thanks for your help with (my) grammar", or, if you want to use an adjective, put it before the noun

Enjoy your readings and movies :)
 

daria

Master Florello
@ Daria: as alway, not sure this is correct, but I would say "thanks for your help with (my) grammar", or, if you want to use an adjective, put it before the noun

Enjoy your readings and movies :)

good point, elena

and 'my problem grammar, not yours :D

:fifone2: Winter is Coming -Game of Thrones- docet :cool3:
:confuso: used "docet" in english?

Hi to all! :)
 
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MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
I see we've all been doing other things for a while. Thursday I went to see a friend in another province. It's a long drive but she can't get away, so I went for a visit. We talked and drove out to see her garden in the country, full of trees and roses and shrubs: the Rosa banksiae normalis covering a cherry was spectacular! I brought her a few roses I'd propagated, plus one from a friend. My friend can't get out to her garden often and she says that roses are about the only plants tough enough to survive neglect. We also went to see her friends, a couple who live in the same town and who have an exquisite garden, not large but full of interesting and beautiful plants.
Friday was sunny and hot, and I did something I almost never do: I cleaned house like mad. It's still far from spotless, but much cleaner than when I began. I drafted my husband and daughter as well, who defrosted and cleaned the refrigerator among other tasks. And I mowed the lawn. Yesterday I began repotting my succulents and Sansevierias. They all look terrible--I'm not good at taking care of plants indoors, to put it mildly--but if warm weather sets in stably and with their soil renewed, I'm hoping to see them pick up. I lost several Sansevierias over the winter, mostly bird's nest Trifasciatas, and the cold killed a lot of my plants that I'd kept outdoors in a cold greenhouse, even with the light bulb we kept burning in it during the cold spell of February. A lot of the aloes and "miseria"s died, while the Opuntias and most of the agaves survived.
The Tea roses began opening their flowers during the two days of warm weather, but I suspect today's wind and rain will bring them to a halt again. 'Clementina Carbonieri' and 'Mme. Antoine Mari' have their first blooms, and 'Jaune Desprez' against a southfacing wall is in full flower, though with blooms paler than usual, probably because it's been so cool. 'Golden Wings' is blooming. The tree peonies are in bloom now, and are making me wish I had more of them. There's a cool pink one with a two-tone effect that's very common in this area, but that I can't find, and that I want badly. Also I want a violet cultivar. I'm working on the yellow-and-purple color scheme in the shade garden, and will have to move a cherry red variety that clashes horribly with the yellow-variegated euonymus growing there.
Is greed in the garden, in this case wanting more tree peonies, a good thing? It isn't anywhere else that I can think of. I don't think I'm a greedy person in most things, or in principle, though I'm spoiled from having lived all my life in a wasteful, opulent culture (the late 20th century western world's middle class, and compared with all the rest of human civilization though history). The garden is the one part of my life where I allow myself to want more, more, more! The garden perhaps offers some excuses, or mitigating circumstances. For example: the garden generates abundance, as from plants the gardener can create more plants. I propagate a lot of plants, and give away quite a few. Then, gardening as I do, I can make a claim to improve the environment: improving the soil, sequestering carbon in the plants I grow, improving air quality, preventing landslides. I garden organically and employ resources frugally. Then, my garden is my creative expression, my work of art; my current garden is my life project.
All the same I'm not sure how much all these valid reasons defend my lust for more tree peonies. Truly. However, if I can find a violet one and force myself to dig out the cherry red one and put it somewhere else, in five years or so, that part of the garden will be more beautiful, and there's a lot to be said for beauty.
Melissa
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
Hi Melissa :)

If I were you, I wouldn't beat myself up for wanting more and more of my fav plants, because I'm all for following yourself whenever something feels inspiring. I believe life is meant to be a joyful and fun experience, and that it's up to us making choices in that direction, so if you feel your plants give you joy and bring more beauty on the plant, I really can't see anything wrong with that!!

Btw, I hope some day to have way to see some picture of all that beauty you created there, from the descriptions you give us I can get it'd deserve, but not knowing all of the plants you mention it's difficult picturing clearly.. However, like you I also would like to create a space where plants are 'paired' (can't think of a better way to express the idea right now) accordingly to their colors, but sincerely I still need to learn some more before to try it. At any rate, just a few weeks ago I noticed in my mom's front yard how nice the purple irises looked beside a big red camelia.. I wouldn't have thought of that combination if I hadn't seen it!

Since last week, here it's Summer again. It's 75°F/24°C right now (and till a few days ago I still had to use the heating!). Unfortunately, the first day of sun I only managed to repot some of the plants that needed it, then my mom needed to go to the hospital and so I spent there 19 hours in a row. She is doing a 'lil better now but I'm exhausted because have to run there, to my parents' place, here and there again and so on.. I should cut the grass in the garden, because it really needs that now, but there're still many stones and rocks here and there from the works done last year and I'm afraid the mower (actually, its blades) would get damaged by them, so now I look for someone who could lend me a 'string trimmers'..


Okay, I'll go to rest a bit now, wishing you all very nice days and happy cultivations!! :D
 

Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Oh finally I know how to say"decespugliatore" in English....I even did't know it in Dutch...My string trimmer wasn't working,and I had to bring it to repair....The first part of my garden I use a mower because it's straight(pari)?? But for the rest I need the string trimmer...Melissa,I also feel guilty many times,because I buy and buy always plants wherever I go,but it's a very important part of my live,and why not like Elena said....Yesterday I bought again some plants and I told the women...the price of a pizza,but they give me joy for much more time....

Somebody goes to Orticola?? I'll go saturday 12...
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
I'd have a question for you guys... How do you call in English the ball of seeds of the dandelions, the one that kids like to blow? Here we call it (colloquially, of course) 'soffione':

soffioni_tarassaco.preview.JPG
 

jp60

Giardinauta
We call a string trimmer a strimmer in England and the Dandelion head is called a clock because children blow on it and however many puffs it takes to disperse the seeds that's what the time is. Four puffs = 4 0'clock.

How long do tree peonies flower for Melissa? They have attractive leaves as well as beautiful flowers. I saw three for sale yesterday, a white, an orangey yellow and a very dark red almost black. I was tempted to buy one, but I am so busy at the moment it would have to sit in its pot for ages.
 

elena_11293

Master Florello
Thanks Josephine! :)


Sorry Harma, I hadn't see your message when I posted this, yesterday.. Thanks, but that photo isn't mine. However, so true, a picture often says more than a billion words! :eek:k07:


Have a fun weekend, guys!
:Saluto:

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Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Hi Jo,I have 1 peonia-tree,but its already about a month ago that it flowered,and not for a long time,but maybe because it was raining....I don't know much about them.My girlfriend told me(she has a really collection)that the tree-peonia don't like to stay in compagny..My p-tree is in the middle of a lot of different plants,and I'am thinking about it to change place this winter...But even they don't like to change place:fischio:So I'll see...

Nice evening to everybody...
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
Hi, folks!
Jo, my tree peonies don't flower for a long period, perhaps a week or two. But they're so spectacular when they bloom that they're worth it. I have a big garden, of course. The plants look good out of flower, too, and tree peonies come in a quiet period before the roses and herbaceous peonies get going, and so occupy a space in the flowering year when there's not much happening. The best thing about peonies is that once you have them you have them forever. In my garden, too, tree peonies appear to be quite tough plants, growing in sun and part shade, fearless in the face of drought and cold. I find that they do well with other plants, requiring the room that a shrub rose would, but nothing unreasonable for plants of their dimensions.
In my garden spring planting is usually a bad idea, as plants don't have a chance to root well before the heat and drought of summer arrive. We don't water much and most of our garden is exposed to wind and sun. You may have considerably different conditions and be able to plant in spring and nurse plants through the summer. When I buy a plant at this time of year I usually--if I'm exercising good sense--repot it and then keep it under the pergola until fall.
Harma, do you mean the part of your garden where you use your mower is flat? I didn't understand that.
We had two days of exquisite weather, then yesterday afternoon the wind began to blow again and the forecast is for rain once again. Oh, well, at least the garden is getting watered. We're having a very long grass season. My husband mows and mows, and the grass just grows again. This is extremely good for the soil, and the long growing season means that all the tiny roses we planted last fall are getting better and better established. I had a big rose harvest from cuttings taken the year before and an unusually large number of roses planted, so am happy to see their chances of survival rising with every rain.
Melissa
 

jp60

Giardinauta
You're welcome Elena.

Thanks Harma and Melissa. I usually plant in the autumn too Melissa. I cannot resist buying plants though and usually resort to moving them into a bigger pot until the time is right. Having said that, the way the weather is these days it would have been better to plant in the spring this year rather than last autumn!

Today is very cloudy and it looks like rain. Yesterday I finished putting geraniums, or rather, pelargoniums in new pots. I must find the time to learn how to post some photos. You too Melissa! We're all drooling to see your garden!
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
Elena,
I had meant to take you up on color coordination in the garden, but forgot during my last post. I know a little theory, not much, but basically I think you have to plan knowing what your plants look like and not going by schemes. The reason is because the shade of a color is more important than the color. For example, there are all kinds of reds, and one red will look great in a given context and another in the same place will give you stomach ache just to look at it. Take for example red and pink. If the red is in the middle of the red spectrum, primary red, and the pink is a medium strong cool pink, in my eyes the combination is hard and quite unpleasant. On the other hand, if the red leans toward purple (crimson red) and the pink is warm and creamy, I think the pairing is lovely. And so it is for all colors. Are pink and yellow good together or bad together? it depends on the pink and on the yellow. And I find you need to see the physical plants to know what color they are: color photography is inadequate (though better than it used to be) and so are verbal descriptions. Sometimes, to know whether two colors will go together I have to actually hold one plant, flowers or foliage or both, in front of the other.
A few rules are helpful. For example, a color goes well with its opposite on the spectrum. So purple goes well with yellow, and blue with orange. I like blue with all warm colors, in fact, and don't find any particular sympathy between red and green. Then, pair intense colors with intense colors, soft with soft. Intense colors often do go well together, but I also like brilliant or dark hues dotted through pale colors as relief and contrast.
Gardeners work out what suits them, but it is an engrossing kind of planning, and the results can be stupendous. Mostly I try at the start just to put plants together that won't be disastrous--and don't always succeed--and then proceed later to the refinements. A practical difficulty for me is that usually when I get a plant that I have to find a place for in the garden, I've never seen it before. I go by descriptions and pictures, but sometimes the plant turns out quite a bit different from what I imagined. Then I either have to move the plant or live with its unsatisfactory effect.
Melissa
P.S. I forgot to add, personal taste has its place in color planning! For example, I don't like red and white together, but many people love them. There are rules, but many things are just what pleases you.
More than anything else, you have to look and really understand what you like, what really thrills you. This is even more true for color in the garden than for other kinds of garden design.
Jo,
I love my garden, but I must admit that it's untidy. Also it's a young garden, nowhere close to the beauty I hope it will have in maturity. I got out the camera this morning and took pictures, but the camera and I are far from being friends. I'll continue to try (I think) but am also hoping for a visitor who's a good photographer and who likes to post pictures online. Thanks for the kind words.
 
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jp60

Giardinauta
Melissa I agree completely with what you have written about colour. My pet hate is a medium pink with a medium yellow, but as you rightly point out take different shades and put them together and they are beautiful. Then you have to take into consideration the time of flowering and the shape of the leaves. Too many rounded shapes and you have a plate of buns. I have a particularly irritating island bed in front of the house which bakes hard in summer, but becomes sticky with rain, even more than other parts of the garden. I have a phormium, some iris, a perovskia, kniphofia, alliums, French lavender, thyme, sage, origano, phlomis and a santolina all backed by a large conifer and a photinia. Different shapes and reasonable colours, but I'm not happy with it yet. I really want something with good strong leaf shape.
 

MelissaP

Aspirante Giardinauta
Jo,
Nice to meet another fan of color planning! I like the ideas in your message; I never encountered the "plate of buns".
My first thought concerning your problem bed is that I would stick one or two Tea roses right in the middle of everything, digging out the photinia to make room if necessary. They would give the size it sounds like the bed needs, would contrast in every way as far as style goes, but would also get along with everything you already have. Tea roses (not Hybrid Teas!) make big rounded shrubs, have beautiful foliage, but give a general effect of lightness and elegance while being robust frugal plants.
What color is your kniphofia? I have a light orange I think highly of, and would have more kniphofias if they were easier to find, and I could get the colors I wanted.
About yellow and pink, you may not agree with this but I like a medium pink with pale acid or greenish yellow. There are plenty of good combinations of these two colors, anyway.
Melissa
 

Harma

Maestro Giardinauta
Gardening has a lot of levels,I just started in 2004...In the beginning I was just thinking to give a right structure,but now I'am thinking for the right color combinations,I made a lot of mistakes,but that is the nice part of gardening,every time I learn something more......This year for the first time I have a Kniphofia(royal standard) flowering and I love it...Everyday it's different...:love:
 
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