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Grazie mille a Dragon e Daria!
A volte mi dimentico la bella sensazione di ricevere una risposta nei forum.. uno lancia un messaggio, un po' titubante, timoroso e subito qualcuno gli si avvicina e gli da una mano! Naturalmente non in tutti i forum è così, ma su questo sì!!
Bene, riguardo il mio dendrobium credo che sia un nobile perch i fiorellini li aveva lungo tutto il fusto (i fiori erano bianchi e con un po' di fucsia anche!)
Mi spiace di averlo innaffiato troppo.. proverò a metterlo fuori tra qualche giorno, magari lo shock termico farà qualcosa.. Quanto lo dovrei tenere fuori? (Solo delle ore o dei giorni?) Lo lascio fuori anche la notte? Io abito a Venezia e in questi giorni ha fatto 9-10 gradi a mezzogiorno: non sarà troppo freddo?
Grazie mille e scusate la mia inoranza in materia! Mi fido ciecamente di voi!!
Silvia
A volte mi dimentico la bella sensazione di ricevere una risposta nei forum.. uno lancia un messaggio, un po' titubante, timoroso e subito qualcuno gli si avvicina e gli da una mano! Naturalmente non in tutti i forum è così, ma su questo sì!!
Bene, riguardo il mio dendrobium credo che sia un nobile perch i fiorellini li aveva lungo tutto il fusto (i fiori erano bianchi e con un po' di fucsia anche!)
Mi spiace di averlo innaffiato troppo.. proverò a metterlo fuori tra qualche giorno, magari lo shock termico farà qualcosa.. Quanto lo dovrei tenere fuori? (Solo delle ore o dei giorni?) Lo lascio fuori anche la notte? Io abito a Venezia e in questi giorni ha fatto 9-10 gradi a mezzogiorno: non sarà troppo freddo?
Grazie mille e scusate la mia inoranza in materia! Mi fido ciecamente di voi!!
Silvia
ti copio in blocco una parte di un articolo FANTASTICO sul dendr.nobile con tanto di tabella temperatura/umidita' ... copiatelo sul notepad così la tabella torna in riga...
attenzione noi siamo nell'emisfero nord
ti ho messo in rosso le note sulle temperature.
ciao
daria
DENDROBIUM SPECIES CULTURE
Part 1 - Dendrobium nobile
Charles and Margaret Baker
The three Dendrobium to be discussed in this article have been the most widely used in hybridizing. Because hybrids often require conditions similar to those needed by the parents, understanding the culture of the parents may help grow the offspring.
D. nobile was once used extensively in hybridizing with 77 hybrids registered in which it was a parent. The most commonly used parents in recent registrations, however, have been the Australian species D. phalaenopsis and the closely related D. bigibbum.
Cultivation of each of these species is relatively easy once the grower has an understanding of the conditions found in the respective habitats. The following information has been extracted, with slight modifications, from the forthcoming book Orchid Species Culture - Dendrobium, which is being published by Timber Press. Cultural recommendations for D. bigibbum and D. phalaenopsis will be included in later issues.
Dendrobium nobile Lindley
AKA: D. coerulescens Wallich, D. formosanum (Rchb. f.) Masamune, D. lindleyanum Griffith. The name D. friedericksianum is sometimes used for plants which are actually D. nobile. D. nobile var. pallidiflora Hooker is considered a synonym of D. primulinum Lindley.
ORIGIN/HABITAT: Southeast Asia, including Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, northeastern India, Burma, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and much of southern China. In India, plants grow at 650-6550 ft. (200-2000 m). They are widespread in northern Thailand at 1950-4900 ft. (600-1500 m).
CLIMATE: Station #48327, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Lat. 18.8N, Long. 99.0E, at 1100 ft. (335 m). Temperatures are calculated for an elevation of 3500 ft. (1070 m), resulting in probable extremes of 101F (38C) and 30F (-1C).
N/HEMISPHERE JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC
F AVG MAX 77 82 87 88 86 82 81 79 80 81 78 76
F AVG MIN 48 49 54 62 66 66 66 67 65 63 58 49
DIURNAL RANGE 29 33 33 26 20 16 15 12 15 18 20 27
RAIN/INCHES 0.3 0.4 0.6 2.0 5.5 6.1 7.4 8.7 11.5 4.9 1.5 0.4
HUMIDITY/% 73 65 58 62 73 78 80 83 83 81 79 76
BLOOM SEASON ** *** *** *** ** * * * * * * *
DAYS CLR @ 7AM 5 5 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 3
DAYS CLR @ 1PM 9 8 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3
RAIN/MM 8 10 15 51 140 155 188 221 292 124 38 10
C AVG MAX 25.0 27.8 30.6 31.2 30.0 27.8 27.3 26.2 26.7 27.3 25.6 24.5
C AVG MIN 8.9 9.5 12.3 16.7 18.9 18.9 18.9 19.5 18.4 17.3 14.5 9.5
DIURNAL RANGE 16.1 18.3 18.3 14.5 11.1 8.9 8.4 6.7 8.3 10.0 11.1 15.0
S/HEMISPHERE JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN
Cultural Recommendations
LIGHT: 3500-4500 fc. The heavy summer cloud cover indicates that some shading is needed from spring through autumn, but light should be as high as the plant can tolerate, short of burning the leaves. Growers report that D. nobile tolerates full sun when grown outdoors if acclimated early in spring and if air movement is excellent. Growers indicate that light is high enough when leaves are slightly yellow.
TEMPERATURES: Summer days average 79-82F (26-28C), and nights average 66-67F (19-20C), with a diurnal range of 12-16F (7-9C). Spring is the warmest time of the year. Days average 86-88F (30- 31C), and nights average 54-66F (12-19C), with a diurnal range of 20-33F (11-18C). Growers indicate that plants do well outdoors providing night temperatures are near 50F (10C).
HUMIDITY: Near 80% in summer, dropping to near 60% in winter.
WATER: Rainfall is moderate to heavy from late spring through early autumn, but conditions are much drier in winter. Cultivated plants should be kept moist while actively growing, but water should be gradually reduced after new growths mature in autumn.
FERTILIZER: 1/2 to full strength, applied weekly while plants are actively growing. A high-nitrogen fertilizer is beneficial from spring to midsummer, but a fertilizer high in phosphates should be used in late summer and autumn. W. Neptune, in his 1984 American Orchid Society Bulletin article, reported that he obtains better flowering, more uniform growth, and a minimum of keikis by using a 10-30-20 fertilizer mixed at 1 tsp. per gal. (1.3 ml per liter) once a week from spring through midsummer. In late summer and autumn, he switches to a 0-44-0 fertilizer mixed at the same dilution rate. Water and fertilizer are then withheld through winter until the following spring.
REST PERIOD: Winter days average 76-82F (25-28C), and nights average 48-49F (9-10C), with a diurnal range of 27-33F (15-18C). Overnight lows are below 50F (10C) for 3 months. Plants should be able to tolerate temperatures a few degrees below freezing for short periods, but such extremes should be avoided in cultivation. During very cold weather, a plant's chance of surviving with minimal damage is better if it is dry when temperatures are low. Growers report that the plants from this habitat do tolerate light frost. In the habitat, rainfall averages are very low for 4-5 months in winter, but during the early part of the season the high relative humidity indicates that additional moisture is available from frequent fog, mist and heavy deposits of dew. Growers sometimes recommend eliminating water in winter, but plants are healthiest if for most of the winter they are allowed to become somewhat dry between waterings but do not remain dry for extended periods. For 1-2 months in late winter, however, conditions are clear, warm, and dry with humidity so low that even the moisture from morning dew is uncommon. Plants should be allowed to dry out completely between waterings and remain dry longer during this time. Occasional early morning mistings between waterings may help keep the plants from becoming too dry. Fertilizer should be greatly reduced or eliminated until water is increased in spring. A cool, dry rest is essential for cultivated plants and should be continued until new growth starts in spring. In the habitat, light is highest in winter.
GROWING MEDIA: Plants may be mounted on cork or tree-fern slabs if humidity is high and plants are watered at least once daily in summer. Large plants are best potted in an open, fast draining media. Growers indicate that the type of medium is not critical but that using an undersized clay pot, which is barely large enough to hold the roots and allow room for 2 year's growth, is very important. Repotting should be avoided until the medium starts to break down. When necessary, repotting is best done when new root growth starts or as soon after flowering as possible.
MISCELLANEOUS NOTES: The bloom season shown in the climate table is based on cultivation records. Although considered difficult by many growers, D. nobile is one of the most commonly cultivated Dendrobium species. It flowers profusely if fertilized regularly while growing and given a cool, dry rest with high light to initiate blooms. A single specimen plant was reported to have produced more than 1000 flowers at one blooming. Bloom time may be delayed by maintaining cool, dry conditions and low light until close to the time the blooms are wanted. Growers without greenhouses grow D. nobile outdoors in spring and summer and bring it indoors in autumn. This suggests that high winter light is not critical. Plants may be propagated vegetatively by potting keikis that develop at nodes on old canes. Also, old canes may be cut into 8- 10 in. (20-25 cm) sections and placed on damp sphagnum. These sections of old canes will sometimes produce keikis that may then be potted when they start to grow roots. Collected stems are dried and used in Chinese medicine.
Plant and Flower Information
PLANT SIZE AND TYPE: A 24-35 in. (60-90 cm) sympodial epiphyte.
PSEUDOBULB: 24-35 in. (60-90 cm) long. The stems are swollen at the apex and taper to a narrower base. They are clustered on a short connecting rhizome. The canes are often yellowish, somewhat zigzag, round in cross-section, and become furrowed with age. The nodes are usually thickened and flattened.
LEAVES: 6-7. The leaves are distichous, 3-4 in. (7-10 cm) long, oblong to strap-shaped, softly leathery, and deciduous after 2 years.
INFLORESCENCE: Short. Many inflorescences emerge simultaneously from the upper nodes of both leafy and older leafless canes.
FLOWERS: 1-4 per inflorescence. The blossoms, which are 2.4-4.0 in. (6-10 cm) across, have a waxy and heavy texture. The oval sepals and much wider, wavy-margined petals are normally white with rose tips. The downy lip, which is tubular at the base, is cream-white with rose at the apex and has deep crimson or crimson-purple markings in the throat. It is occasionally pure white. The flowers are highly variable, however, with even pure white blossoms occurring occasionally. The many horticultural variants are based primarily on differences in color. The very fragrant blossoms last 3-6 weeks, or longer if conditions are cool and light is low. Recognized varieties include var. formosanum Rchb. f., var. nobilis Burbidge, and var. pallidiflorum Hooker.
attenzione noi siamo nell'emisfero nord
ti ho messo in rosso le note sulle temperature.
ciao
daria
DENDROBIUM SPECIES CULTURE
Part 1 - Dendrobium nobile
Charles and Margaret Baker
The three Dendrobium to be discussed in this article have been the most widely used in hybridizing. Because hybrids often require conditions similar to those needed by the parents, understanding the culture of the parents may help grow the offspring.
D. nobile was once used extensively in hybridizing with 77 hybrids registered in which it was a parent. The most commonly used parents in recent registrations, however, have been the Australian species D. phalaenopsis and the closely related D. bigibbum.
Cultivation of each of these species is relatively easy once the grower has an understanding of the conditions found in the respective habitats. The following information has been extracted, with slight modifications, from the forthcoming book Orchid Species Culture - Dendrobium, which is being published by Timber Press. Cultural recommendations for D. bigibbum and D. phalaenopsis will be included in later issues.
Dendrobium nobile Lindley
AKA: D. coerulescens Wallich, D. formosanum (Rchb. f.) Masamune, D. lindleyanum Griffith. The name D. friedericksianum is sometimes used for plants which are actually D. nobile. D. nobile var. pallidiflora Hooker is considered a synonym of D. primulinum Lindley.
ORIGIN/HABITAT: Southeast Asia, including Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, northeastern India, Burma, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and much of southern China. In India, plants grow at 650-6550 ft. (200-2000 m). They are widespread in northern Thailand at 1950-4900 ft. (600-1500 m).
CLIMATE: Station #48327, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Lat. 18.8N, Long. 99.0E, at 1100 ft. (335 m). Temperatures are calculated for an elevation of 3500 ft. (1070 m), resulting in probable extremes of 101F (38C) and 30F (-1C).
N/HEMISPHERE JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC
F AVG MAX 77 82 87 88 86 82 81 79 80 81 78 76
F AVG MIN 48 49 54 62 66 66 66 67 65 63 58 49
DIURNAL RANGE 29 33 33 26 20 16 15 12 15 18 20 27
RAIN/INCHES 0.3 0.4 0.6 2.0 5.5 6.1 7.4 8.7 11.5 4.9 1.5 0.4
HUMIDITY/% 73 65 58 62 73 78 80 83 83 81 79 76
BLOOM SEASON ** *** *** *** ** * * * * * * *
DAYS CLR @ 7AM 5 5 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 3
DAYS CLR @ 1PM 9 8 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3
RAIN/MM 8 10 15 51 140 155 188 221 292 124 38 10
C AVG MAX 25.0 27.8 30.6 31.2 30.0 27.8 27.3 26.2 26.7 27.3 25.6 24.5
C AVG MIN 8.9 9.5 12.3 16.7 18.9 18.9 18.9 19.5 18.4 17.3 14.5 9.5
DIURNAL RANGE 16.1 18.3 18.3 14.5 11.1 8.9 8.4 6.7 8.3 10.0 11.1 15.0
S/HEMISPHERE JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN
Cultural Recommendations
LIGHT: 3500-4500 fc. The heavy summer cloud cover indicates that some shading is needed from spring through autumn, but light should be as high as the plant can tolerate, short of burning the leaves. Growers report that D. nobile tolerates full sun when grown outdoors if acclimated early in spring and if air movement is excellent. Growers indicate that light is high enough when leaves are slightly yellow.
TEMPERATURES: Summer days average 79-82F (26-28C), and nights average 66-67F (19-20C), with a diurnal range of 12-16F (7-9C). Spring is the warmest time of the year. Days average 86-88F (30- 31C), and nights average 54-66F (12-19C), with a diurnal range of 20-33F (11-18C). Growers indicate that plants do well outdoors providing night temperatures are near 50F (10C).
HUMIDITY: Near 80% in summer, dropping to near 60% in winter.
WATER: Rainfall is moderate to heavy from late spring through early autumn, but conditions are much drier in winter. Cultivated plants should be kept moist while actively growing, but water should be gradually reduced after new growths mature in autumn.
FERTILIZER: 1/2 to full strength, applied weekly while plants are actively growing. A high-nitrogen fertilizer is beneficial from spring to midsummer, but a fertilizer high in phosphates should be used in late summer and autumn. W. Neptune, in his 1984 American Orchid Society Bulletin article, reported that he obtains better flowering, more uniform growth, and a minimum of keikis by using a 10-30-20 fertilizer mixed at 1 tsp. per gal. (1.3 ml per liter) once a week from spring through midsummer. In late summer and autumn, he switches to a 0-44-0 fertilizer mixed at the same dilution rate. Water and fertilizer are then withheld through winter until the following spring.
REST PERIOD: Winter days average 76-82F (25-28C), and nights average 48-49F (9-10C), with a diurnal range of 27-33F (15-18C). Overnight lows are below 50F (10C) for 3 months. Plants should be able to tolerate temperatures a few degrees below freezing for short periods, but such extremes should be avoided in cultivation. During very cold weather, a plant's chance of surviving with minimal damage is better if it is dry when temperatures are low. Growers report that the plants from this habitat do tolerate light frost. In the habitat, rainfall averages are very low for 4-5 months in winter, but during the early part of the season the high relative humidity indicates that additional moisture is available from frequent fog, mist and heavy deposits of dew. Growers sometimes recommend eliminating water in winter, but plants are healthiest if for most of the winter they are allowed to become somewhat dry between waterings but do not remain dry for extended periods. For 1-2 months in late winter, however, conditions are clear, warm, and dry with humidity so low that even the moisture from morning dew is uncommon. Plants should be allowed to dry out completely between waterings and remain dry longer during this time. Occasional early morning mistings between waterings may help keep the plants from becoming too dry. Fertilizer should be greatly reduced or eliminated until water is increased in spring. A cool, dry rest is essential for cultivated plants and should be continued until new growth starts in spring. In the habitat, light is highest in winter.
GROWING MEDIA: Plants may be mounted on cork or tree-fern slabs if humidity is high and plants are watered at least once daily in summer. Large plants are best potted in an open, fast draining media. Growers indicate that the type of medium is not critical but that using an undersized clay pot, which is barely large enough to hold the roots and allow room for 2 year's growth, is very important. Repotting should be avoided until the medium starts to break down. When necessary, repotting is best done when new root growth starts or as soon after flowering as possible.
MISCELLANEOUS NOTES: The bloom season shown in the climate table is based on cultivation records. Although considered difficult by many growers, D. nobile is one of the most commonly cultivated Dendrobium species. It flowers profusely if fertilized regularly while growing and given a cool, dry rest with high light to initiate blooms. A single specimen plant was reported to have produced more than 1000 flowers at one blooming. Bloom time may be delayed by maintaining cool, dry conditions and low light until close to the time the blooms are wanted. Growers without greenhouses grow D. nobile outdoors in spring and summer and bring it indoors in autumn. This suggests that high winter light is not critical. Plants may be propagated vegetatively by potting keikis that develop at nodes on old canes. Also, old canes may be cut into 8- 10 in. (20-25 cm) sections and placed on damp sphagnum. These sections of old canes will sometimes produce keikis that may then be potted when they start to grow roots. Collected stems are dried and used in Chinese medicine.
Plant and Flower Information
PLANT SIZE AND TYPE: A 24-35 in. (60-90 cm) sympodial epiphyte.
PSEUDOBULB: 24-35 in. (60-90 cm) long. The stems are swollen at the apex and taper to a narrower base. They are clustered on a short connecting rhizome. The canes are often yellowish, somewhat zigzag, round in cross-section, and become furrowed with age. The nodes are usually thickened and flattened.
LEAVES: 6-7. The leaves are distichous, 3-4 in. (7-10 cm) long, oblong to strap-shaped, softly leathery, and deciduous after 2 years.
INFLORESCENCE: Short. Many inflorescences emerge simultaneously from the upper nodes of both leafy and older leafless canes.
FLOWERS: 1-4 per inflorescence. The blossoms, which are 2.4-4.0 in. (6-10 cm) across, have a waxy and heavy texture. The oval sepals and much wider, wavy-margined petals are normally white with rose tips. The downy lip, which is tubular at the base, is cream-white with rose at the apex and has deep crimson or crimson-purple markings in the throat. It is occasionally pure white. The flowers are highly variable, however, with even pure white blossoms occurring occasionally. The many horticultural variants are based primarily on differences in color. The very fragrant blossoms last 3-6 weeks, or longer if conditions are cool and light is low. Recognized varieties include var. formosanum Rchb. f., var. nobilis Burbidge, and var. pallidiflorum Hooker.
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ubbi Dendrobium!!!
Scusatemi davvero, sono contento ke abbiate cercato di identificare i miei Dendrobium, anche se io, x quello con fiori strani, ma bellissimi, mi riferivo a quello con i fiori viola, non a quello con i fiori gialli e labello porpora. Cmq, a parte questo, potete darmi delle notizie sulla coltivazione e il xiodo + adatto x cambiare la composta? Grazie sempre!
Con simpatia
Rokko.
ubbi Dendrobium!!!Scusatemi davvero, sono contento ke abbiate cercato di identificare i miei Dendrobium, anche se io, x quello con fiori strani, ma bellissimi, mi riferivo a quello con i fiori viola, non a quello con i fiori gialli e labello porpora. Cmq, a parte questo, potete darmi delle notizie sulla coltivazione e il xiodo + adatto x cambiare la composta? Grazie sempre!
Con simpatia
Rokko.
